VeritasDomain responds to my Ray Comfort post

Dizzy answers

Dizzy answers

Dizzy, at Veritasdomain.wordpress.com was kind enough to post answers to my last post criticizing Ray Comforts Huntington Beach video.

First of all, thank you dizzy for your response and very well thought out rebuttal, also thanks for making it point by point, certainly makes response easier.

I am gonna do this like we normally do around here,  post what Dizzy did, just copy and paste it from THIS LINK and then respond to it,  my responses will be in Bold whilst Dizzy’s text will be in Italics.

Dizzy: Thanks for your post. Since you were kind enough to make a passing reference to veritasdomain as another Christian blog, I thought I’d answer your critique of the debate point by point.

For 0:10 you mention that it’s sad to to start off a video with fear mongering. However, pointing out that Ray Comfort is trying to “peddle” fear doesn’t prove anything but your opinion. “You’re not crazy if they’re really out to get you.” Likewise, it’s not mongering, if hell exists.

Me: At this point in the video I am not really trying to prove any point at all, it is my opinion, as a former apologist of this very faith that the tactic of fear mongering results in a less than productive faith (through experience mind you) in some situations. You are right though, if hell DOES in fact exist i guess it wouldn’t be fear mongering as much as it would be just trying to save someone…the problem with that is that Mr. Comfort is propagating fear of something he can’t prove does indeed exist-if he or anyone can prove that it does then I welcome you to do so. You make a good point none the less, and I truly don’t question the MOTIVES of Mr. Comfort, but his method of delivery is lacking here—as well as his logic.

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Ray Comfort–an open invite and a rebuttal to a video

OK, Let me just say this, I know that the Ray Comfort post I made last was a tad on the easy side…but, I mean, you can’t blame me for taking on a guy like this….so much pride and assumption rolled into one little man…its just a temptation I can’t possibly refuse….and now, I have even more for this guy. This time I am gonna openly invite Mr. Comfort to this blog to engage me—I have a feeling he has already been here, so this should be pretty easy, but I’m gonna make sure he knows that I am waiting for him by responding to one of his blog posts.

Secondly, I was perusing the inter-web the other day and I found this video linked on another Christian blog…it simply amazes me how Christians are eating this crap up, they really think these are good arguments…all I see is a fast talking salesman with an inch of magnetic hypnosis at the end. Without further ado, here is the video:

im going to go through this with time stops…just follow along:

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Ray Comfort Vs The Evil Atheists

This man might be stupid!

This man might be stupid!

So the other day I was looking through blogs, dropping my Entrecard on different blogs. I tend to go for the religious/Christian blogs as much as I can, to get the whole Christian crowd to come here as much as possible…

So I stumble upon The Powerhouse Ministry Blog and This Entry in particular. Evidently some dude named Ray Comfort (from Way of The Master Ministries) has some irrefutable evidence for the atheist…it starts with 10 Suggestions for the Novice Atheist, and ends with…The Atheist Test…yes, you heard it here first kids…the Atheist test.

This is my attempt at dismantling this poor mans ridiculous arguments. My own text will be Bolded, his will be normal type: Enjoy

Ten Suggestions for the Novice Atheist

  1. Whenever you are presented with credible evidence for God’s existence, call it a “straw man argument,” or “circular reasoning.” If something is quoted from somewhere, label it “quote mining.”

No one has ever presented any credible evidence for god’s existence yet…at least to me…if you can I invite you to do so though! Straw man arguments wouldn’t really fit there, straw men are used to burn down a persons character-its really an audience/judge ploy against the opponent—not an actual real life argument. Circular reasoning will be called what it is…And who in the hell is unhappy about quotes?

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Domain Name and private server

I just got a private server/domain name

 

in the next few days i will still be on this one but working on transferring everything to the new server

 

yay..im official now

Re: Bondservant of Christ-Why?

My last post has garnered alot of attention, relatively anyway…and i am finding that the method by which replies are sorted doesnt quite suit my normal methods of interaction..so i am going to post all of the replies i have recieved here and answer them…because the responses i have recieved have been good responses and i am very thankful to have them.

I am going to go in order of receipt of first comment and keep any replies in the same loop—if anyone knows a better way to do this, i am very much open to suggestions. So, lets start with my friend Ron:

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Bond servant with Christ–Why?

Consistently throughout the New Testament of the Bible the writers of various epistles greet the churches with an announcement of being “Bond Servants with Christ.”(See James 1:1 II Peter 1:1, etc) Rather recently a facebook friend asked me; in reply to my status message stating, Matt Oxley is glad to live for himself…rather than trying to please g-d.” if I saw pleasing god as a set of do’s and dont’s…to which i replied with a reference to pleasing the god of the Bible as simply being a Bondservant with Christ.

His answer kind of…bothers me…..he said, “Bondservant of God..exactly what it is. What’s your point?

Well…I’m gonna answer that here…rather than expound on my status conversation…to explain just what my point is…

Let us start off by defining Bond-servant:

1. a person who serves in bondage; slave.
2. a person bound to service without wages.

Now neither of those definitions are incredibly desirous for anyone…I just don’t see anyone in reality going up to some stranger and saying “make me your slave.” Since I once was a christian, and I once did very strongly desire to be a Bond-servant..I have to look at things a little differently than a normal christian can or even differently than a typical atheist can…

To avoid the redundant “there is no proof of god or christ” argument… im just gonna simply say, no i don’t want to be a slave so something that doesn’t exist…but my real answer to this predicament is much deeper…and much more disturbing. Although the fact that we don’t know that a god exists and therefore should assume he does not…or in the very least assume he doesn’t give a crap if we believe in him is extremely valid…

My answer is this:

What alternatives does God give us? What happens to me if i choose NOT to believe or be his servant eternally?

You see, being Gods servant is not an option here…it’s something you MUST do…and therefore no emotionalized rebadging or redefining of the term bond-servant will do…If you reject the chains that God and Christ offer you…to be his servant…you go to hell…eternally…that is the problem…thats why i refuse to be his slave…i wont worship a god like that…i wouldn’t dare…i wasted too much time on that unjust, jealous, maniacle god than he deserved…that god is DEAD to me…yet this is the SAME god that called himself Love…even the very definition of Love…it is essentially gods love that renders him no more than a liar and a theif…and he wants to scare you into being his slave…

Don’t fall for it—if you have…reject it!

Debate #1

THE STARE OF DEATH!

THE STARE OF DEATH!

OK ok….I……well….

ok, i havent watched the dang thing yet…….but what i am reading from others was that it was pretty much a tie…at least from the democrats i am hearing this from, and the republicans are claiming victory (as usual…)

it’s on my DVR though, and I’m gonna watch it…if I can handle it…

I really think that presidential debates should be truly Lincoln Douglas style…and there should be a panel of entirely independant judges there giving points and announcing winners and losers….or even better…myself and my buddy (and Debate partner) Ronald Daniels should be judges at policy style debates between the candidates…I’d love to see McCain answer a Terrorism Blowback DA on a Resolution that we should win the “war” at all costs…what would that be? Moral Obligation?

damn…I am feeling really nostalgic right now

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McCain—Scared of Obama—or Scared of Palin’s big mouth?

Future Leaders of this country...we are doomed

Future Leaders of this country...we are doomed

So John McCain wants to cancel the debate for tonight and postpone it until the day the VP debate is scheduled.

so the question is:

Is McCain afraid of Obama’s much better ability to speak and convince (teleprompter or not, he sounds a hell of alot better than McCain) ?

OR

Is McCain afraid to let Palin open her big mouth and embarrass him again?

comment and tell me what you think!

Extimony Rebuttal

A friend of mine responded to my Extimony via Myspace mail…First will be his post, then mine follows

From: David
Date: Aug 22, 2008 12:27 PM


Thanks. You really put a lot of thought into that and I enjoyed the insight. Moreover, I applaud your objectivity, but I’m a little thrown by the way one of the biggest beefs with God you mentioned is allowing humans to doubt. IMHO, Doubt is purely an emotional state of mind influenced by logic.

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the link in particular was the extimony link…please test it for me if you dont mind…thanks