Updates: Coughing, Godless/Freethinking Carders,Forum, Adgitize

Hey folks, just a quicky here because I don’t have time for a full fledged post. First of all , thanks to all those that are participating in the discussion on the last entry about Atheism and Morality, please join in on it and add your own thoughts to the pot–comments from readers and constructive discourse is the REASON I HAVE THIS BLOG!

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Godless Carders/Freethinking Carders

Godless Carders is now going to be called Freethinking Carders, and the project is still underway, there is a link at the top of every page to the Freethinking Carders page where updates will be held from now on…so feel free to check that out for the rules and standards, as well as the purposes for it…leave comments or email me to add anything to that

Still sick!

Not bad sick, but I still have this damn cough and it will not go away…also, last Friday I ended up having the most incredibly painful headache I have ever had…I don’t know if it technically counts as a migraine but it started at the front of the right side of my head, worked its way down to my ear, then down to my teeth (they were hurting, seriously, and then to the back of my head and neck….It has happened twice now and it lasts for hours…the only thing I can do to make if feel a little better is to get in a really hot shower and just let the water hit my head for about 30 minutes…It might not happen again, its been about 4 days since the last one…but it sucks hardcore.

New Forum

I just started posting on a new forum at Atheist Think Tank, it’s still small but seems pretty cool, some of the discussions are very well thought out and the members consist of both non-theists and a few Christians as well…I like to start out on forums while they are still new, so that I can feel like I don’t have to catch up too much, so feel free to join up now and join in…

Adgitize

In the next couple of weeks I am going to prepare a guide for Adgitize users on how to best utilize the service to properly monetize your blog without losing the actual content of being a real readable blog…so I hope some of you are looking forward to that. Still want folks to sign up thru the link at the bottom of the page please!!!!

Adgitize your web site.

see you tomorrow for FUN FRIDAY!

  • For headache prevention I suggest you look at everything you eat (diet). There is so much chemical shit in food these days. Eat fresh organic food.

  • I read the page on your new "carder group", and was rather disappointed!

    I was expecting a group of intellectuals interested in rational thought & discussion, only to find a group of elitists much like the "Christian Carders" I already belong to. 🙁

    Too bad, I was looking forward to better human interaction then I am receiving on the current one I belong to.

    One question though…

    You claim "Freethinkers", yet I am confused about your description of them…

    Are those of "faith"…

    Unable to think freely, or not allowed to think freely, or not worthy of thinking freely, or not expected to think freely?

    Could you expound a bit?

    My basic complaint about the majority of my fellow so-called "Christians" is that they are not "thinking freely", and are simply "mirrors" to the thoughts and actions of their peers, not allowing themselves to use the brain that God gave them in the first place.

    Whatever "Preacher in the limelight" happens to elevate him/herself onto the stage seems to be the latest road to follow irregardless of what it is they claim to "have faith" in.

    Is there no room for "thinking freely" in matters of "faith"? If that were the case, then the fall in Genesis Chapter 3 was never a choice? And if it was, were not these "people of faith" thinking freely when they chose to disobey God's word?

    Free Thinking is not a made up "Spaghetti Monster" type description used to debunk "religion", it is a characteristic of ALL human beings, not just the pseudo-intellectual elite that classify themselves as it, because they fear those that would give them a legitimate discussion/debate of facts relating to religious beliefs.

    Too bad… I was actually looking forward to interacting with real "Free Thinkers".

    • Matt

      @ Heresy

      you remind me of my former self.

      Can you please point out what part of the Freethinking Carders group happens to be eliteist? Does it not include those of SOME sort of faith…of which I consider Deists? Please point out what is eliteist about this. If you can truly be considered a free thinker then I don't have a problem putting you on the list, but if you are just a christian that wants to seem "cool" because your "different" since you don't act like the rest of the Christians…well, I am personally too intelligent to call that free thinking. Either way you are welcome to show me what classifies you as a person of free thought.

      FreeThought, in my ever so humble opinion, is the ability to think without considering unprovable variables such as god, christ, and the Bible…can you consider life, emotions, reality, existence without HAVING to assume those variables? It is ok if you can assume them if you want, but can you be truly free and NOT assume that Jesus is God (or whatever doctrine you ascribe to) in your thought and actions?

      If you want to have a legit discussion or debate feel free to issue a challenge thru email in the contact me link and we can discuss a topic and format…or if you want to discuss your freethought status we can do that too, either way I can't be the one that decides who you are and I don't intend to stop you from joining.

  • I am of the opinion that the term "elite" is neither negative, nor profane. If I were ever to be classified as an "elitist", I would wear that like a freakin' badge.

    The problem, from what I can infer, is that the commenter Heresy Today has drawn a proverbial "line in the sand", and cannot distinguish between dissent and malice. There are those of us who were not only raised in the church, but active participants for a time and came to our religious (or complete lack thereof)conclusions based on unfiltered life experiences.

    I ask both you, Matt, and the commenter from Heresy Today: Am I an elitist because I have played guitar on the street for food? Am I elite because I have conquered addiction without a support group? Or because I neglected to turn to a "higher power" during times of tragedy? Was there anything elite about hitchhiking cross-country sans prayer?

    Or is a developed understanding of the human condition coupled with a modicum of gravitas all that was necessary?

    I guess what I'm trying to get at is this: can I be a part of the debate? And where do I sign up for the "freethinking carder" thing?

  • @Matt…

    On your page for the freethinking carders you said in #2… "without fear of being turned down."

    Are you not "turning down" folks? The very thing you accuse others of?

    You said: "you remind me of my former self."

    Thank You!

    You said: "Does it not include those of SOME sort of faith…of which I consider Deists?"

    You answer this question yourself! "The FC will consist of users of Entrecard whom either subscribe to no religious beliefs"

    Ya can't backpedal, and say "SOME sort of faith…" on one page, and then none on another? Which is it?

    You said: Please point out what is eliteist about this." The statement that only certain individuals can think freely, simple enough. When one group of people think themselves better, they become so. (well, only in their own minds of course.)

    You said:"If you can truly be considered a free thinker then I don’t have a problem putting you on the list,"

    I am thinking freely as I type this right now!

    You said: "if you are just a christian that wants to seem “cool” because your “different” since you don’t act like the rest of the Christians…"

    Oh brother! You might want to read up on my posts, or listen to some podcasts. 9 out of 10 of these so-called "Christians" can't stand me to save their lives. If I wanted to be "cool", I would be a TBN devotee. A Sunday morning doesn't go by without at least a third of those in the pews staring back with their jaws dropped, wondering why they keep coming back every Wed & Sun. Sometimes I wonder why as well! LOL

    You said: "I am personally too intelligent to call that free thinking."

    Better than other humans?

    You said: "Either way you are welcome to show me what classifies you as a person of free thought."

    Blood, Flesh, Bones. Human characteristic, no other qualifications needed.

    You said: "FreeThought, in my ever so humble opinion, is the ability to think without considering unprovable variables such as god, christ, and the Bible…can you consider life, emotions, reality, existence without HAVING to assume those variables?"

    They are not unproven. I have seen the evidence with my own eyes. Just because you or others have not, makes them unproven to you and others only.

    You can tell me you had a hamburger for dinner, but you cannot prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt. You know you did, but only you. Ergo, your burger, and whether you ate it or not is unproven.

    You said: "but can you be truly free and NOT assume that Jesus is God (or whatever doctrine you ascribe to) in your thought and actions?"

    Assume? Why would I assume what I know is true, when witnessed with my very eyes and ears? I don't need to assume what you wrote in your comment, I am reading it right this minute.

    You saqid: "If you want to have a legit discussion or debate feel free to issue a challenge thru email in the contact me link and we can discuss a topic and format…"

    Why? I think we are doing fine right here! As you can see by the comment below yours, others have joined in, ergo there is benefit to the whole by standing in the open air, where all can bear witness…

    You said: "either way I can’t be the one that decides who you are and I don’t intend to stop you from joining."

    Well that is the point silly! If I do not fit within the rules, how can I join? That is why I asked about it. From your page on the carders, I did not meet the requirements, so I was looking for an amendment from you, so that I can join! LOL

    @Rhino…

    You said: "I am of the opinion that the term “elite” is neither negative, nor profane."

    Neither do I. I see it as a common human flaw that %100 of all Human Being share, how can I speak ill of the same flaw that I myself possess!

    You said: "from what I can infer"

    There was your first mistake. "Reading between the lines" is always a failure. I do it myself sometimes, it never works, trust me! 🙂

    You said: "Heresy Today has drawn a proverbial “line in the sand”, and cannot distinguish between dissent and malice."

    I have? See… That's what you get for inferences!

    Dissent: I disagree, and here is why…

    Malice: Fucking Hellbound Atheist! Your wrong, God will cut you down you fucking sinner!!!

    (You would not believe how many "So-Called Christians" I have heard say that exact thing in malice! LOL You should have seen the looks I got when I included that sentence in a sermon about hypocrisy… It was classic!)

    You said: "There are those of us who were not only raised in the church, but active participants for a time and came to our religious (or complete lack thereof)conclusions based on unfiltered life experiences."

    I am sure there were, and are many, why would I think otherwise? What else would we base our decisions on except what we know?

    You said: "I ask both you, Matt, and the commenter from Heresy Today: Am I an elitist"

    Can you be classified as a "Homo sapien"? If so, then you are by default. Just by virtue of being the highest lifeform, we are all elitists! Stand up for your species friend!

    You said: "can I be a part of the debate?"

    Aren't you? I think you joined in at this point here: "I am of the opinion…"

    You said: "And where do I sign up for the “freethinking carder” thing?"

    Well.. I know where the page about it is, but have seen no sign up form. I am still waiting to see the rules reflect my ability to join.

    Personally, I can't see why your not allowed in the "Christian Carders"? Don't you qualify at Genesis 1:27? You would have to, because Christ Himself was there during the decision, ergo you folks (just like the rest of us) should be "His children". Just because one is not "saved", does not remove them from the status of being God's "creation/child". They can throw Matthew 12:46-50 at you, but that is the relationship to the Son, not the Father.

    Now if it was "Disciples Of Christ Carders", then you would be boned…

  • One quick note…we, humans, are not the "highest life form". Every time someone starts their final sentence with, "Hey y'all, lookit I can do…", they prove we aren't. Because a book says that we were favored above all creatures doesn't mean that those creatures can/could prove their actual position on the ladder if given the chance.

  • @Mista Rhino…

    Who said anything about a book?

    Humans are currently the "highest life form" because we are the so-called "kings-of-the-hill". As soon as another life form knocks us off the top, then I guess they get the designation huh?

    Still with the inferences? Reading between the lines still? Let me repeat what I said, and you can show me where I mentioned "a book".

    I said in the post above your reply…

    "Can you be classified as a “Homo sapien”? If so, then you are by default. Just by virtue of being the highest lifeform, we are all elitists! Stand up for your species friend!"

    When you find where I validated that statement with "A book (The Bible)" in that, let me know.

    Bitterness does not an intellectual debate make. LOL